The FUCK.

[jhameia]

That Elizabeth Moon essay. I don't even. What. The. Fuck.

I just read Edward Said's chapter "On Defiance and Taking a Position" and I read it after a particularly trying article which was classist AND racist (I had a chat with another classmate about this article earlier today) and I gotta say, after reading the clusterfuck that was Moon's essay (and that troll in comments, who actually said that Japanese-Americans who submitted quietly to interment camps showed commendable behaviour, that that is how good citizens should behave in the face of a threatened state), I need a panacea of equal measure.

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ.

UGH.

HAPPY MALAYSIA DAY, EVERYBODY.

h/t from Jeff Vandermeer, MOON JUST DELETED THE COMMENTS!!!!

Comments

[outlawpoet.livejournal.com]

I read it before the comments went insane. Crazy stuff, in this day and age. Reminded me of stuff by Peggy Noonan, actually.

[salzara-tirwen.livejournal.com]

I haven't heard anything about this. Do you have a link?

[fantasyecho.livejournal.com]

http://e-moon60.livejournal.com/335480.html

You missed the epic comments.

[salzara-tirwen.livejournal.com]

...wow, must have been quite a trainwreck.

[outlawpoet.livejournal.com]

They started out sort of marginal, generic 'this is problematic a bit, but good otherwise', some folks taking issue and getting derailing replies.

Then some libertarian dude showed up, and some link-ins on Monday from some folks I respect. Basically it went crazy yesterday, with e-moon maintaining the whole way that all critics were wrong, 'misunderstanding', or bringing their own drama. Defenders started trolling the critics before they got replies, and then I stopped following along sometime last night for blood pressure reasons.

But reports are pretty crazy. Internment camp examples? Not there yet at this point.

Does anyone have screencaps?

[fantasyecho.livejournal.com]

God I hope there are screencaps.

[outlawpoet.livejournal.com]

Deleting is so weak. I understand flocking, if only to get some distance, but killing off a discussion because you don't like where it's going is intensely frustrating. And it doesn't help, because it completely precludes any future discussion bridging the sides, because now all pugilists are remembering their own interpretation of the exchange, worsening any acrimony.

[fantasyecho.livejournal.com]

Exactly. Especially when so many people took the time and energy to explain where the post went wrong. It's not fair, and completely disrespectful.

[shveta-thakrar.livejournal.com]

As if the post weren't bad enough, my mind is blown that she deleted the comments. What??

[fantasyecho.livejournal.com]

I know! It's not like they were flaming her either! So many good, well-reasoned responses, gone, just because they dared to disagree.

[februaryfour]

Oh, you'll like this one. http://webnews.sff.net/read?cmd=read&group=sff.people.elizabeth-moon&artnum=150619

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[fantasyecho.livejournal.com]

Nicely done!!

[fantasyecho.livejournal.com]

What the what.

[jolantru.livejournal.com]

I kind of knew that she would delete the comments.

Blah. Another author off my "Favorite Authors" List.

[eiko82.livejournal.com]

*jaw hits the floor*

WTF DID I JUST READ? My goodness, that woman's post pissed me off so much. Words fail me.

Also, she is a coward for deleting the comments. If you're gonna say something that controversal, at least have the balls to defend what you said. Disgusting....