I mean I see abortion as infanticide, indistinguishable morally from drowning an unwanted baby as soon as it's born. It's the same baby. It's killing it either way, just earlier. Abortion looks tidier on the outside and easier to rationalize since the baby doesn't have a cute recognizable face yet. (And because the babies have no voice to defend or represent themselves.)
I understand why women do it and I think the current culture is deplorable that women feel driven to kill their own child rather than face the shame and discrimination that come with unwanted pregnancy or giving a child up for adoption. That is why my best proposal is to protect these women and criminally charge the people who would discriminate against them. Pregnancy should be safe and protected, and women should be able to hand their child over to a respectable adoption system without fear of persecution.
Do you think women who have abortions... should be charged and convicted? ...abortion services should be excluded from public funding?
Yes, since I don't see how killing a baby before it's born is any different from killing a baby after it's born. If a woman should be criminally charged for smothering her baby with a pillow, she should be equally charged with killing her baby before it was born.
Abortions should not be publicly funded any more than we should pay trained professionals to euthanize unwanted newborns.
Do you think medical and nursing students in public education should be offered training in performing/assisting abortions?
No more than they should be trained in the proper way to euthanize babies after they're born.
I realize that abortion is currently legal, so I don't propose that women who have had abortions while it was legal should be charged and convicted. I just wish for this practice would be made illegal. Our culture should not allow legal infanticide, regardless of how young the baby. I don't see how it's any different from ancient Rome when women would leave unwanted babies on the side of the road to die. With plenty of public systems in place to feed, support, and adopt out unwanted children, the killing is simply unnecessary. There are homes for these babies and systems in place so that none of them need to die.
I am not aggressive about my beliefs. I realize it's a choice at this time and women can legally choose as they wish. I have friends who have had abortions and I don't treat them any differently from my friends who haven't. I strongly disagree with their decision, but I won't persecute them for it. I think the issue should be discussed civilly and on the political rather than personal front.
All this said, I'm just answering your questions, but not interested in getting in a debate with you. It seems we have different views on the humanity of an unborn child. I see a baby before it's born as the same person she is after she's born, while pro-choice people see the baby as a non-human (or not-yet human?) Until people see eye to eye on that front, it's impossible to discuss.
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Re: Generalizing much?
Date: 2009-02-04 08:15 pm (UTC)I mean I see abortion as infanticide, indistinguishable morally from drowning an unwanted baby as soon as it's born. It's the same baby. It's killing it either way, just earlier. Abortion looks tidier on the outside and easier to rationalize since the baby doesn't have a cute recognizable face yet. (And because the babies have no voice to defend or represent themselves.)
I understand why women do it and I think the current culture is deplorable that women feel driven to kill their own child rather than face the shame and discrimination that come with unwanted pregnancy or giving a child up for adoption. That is why my best proposal is to protect these women and criminally charge the people who would discriminate against them. Pregnancy should be safe and protected, and women should be able to hand their child over to a respectable adoption system without fear of persecution.
Do you think women who have abortions... should be charged and convicted? ...abortion services should be excluded from public funding?
Yes, since I don't see how killing a baby before it's born is any different from killing a baby after it's born. If a woman should be criminally charged for smothering her baby with a pillow, she should be equally charged with killing her baby before it was born.
Abortions should not be publicly funded any more than we should pay trained professionals to euthanize unwanted newborns.
Do you think medical and nursing students in public education should be offered training in performing/assisting abortions?
No more than they should be trained in the proper way to euthanize babies after they're born.
I realize that abortion is currently legal, so I don't propose that women who have had abortions while it was legal should be charged and convicted. I just wish for this practice would be made illegal. Our culture should not allow legal infanticide, regardless of how young the baby. I don't see how it's any different from ancient Rome when women would leave unwanted babies on the side of the road to die. With plenty of public systems in place to feed, support, and adopt out unwanted children, the killing is simply unnecessary. There are homes for these babies and systems in place so that none of them need to die.
I am not aggressive about my beliefs. I realize it's a choice at this time and women can legally choose as they wish. I have friends who have had abortions and I don't treat them any differently from my friends who haven't. I strongly disagree with their decision, but I won't persecute them for it. I think the issue should be discussed civilly and on the political rather than personal front.
All this said, I'm just answering your questions, but not interested in getting in a debate with you. It seems we have different views on the humanity of an unborn child. I see a baby before it's born as the same person she is after she's born, while pro-choice people see the baby as a non-human (or not-yet human?) Until people see eye to eye on that front, it's impossible to discuss.