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I just sent this off to the Star newspaper.

Dear Editor,

In light of the fact that sex parties are held to usher in the New Year, moralists have come seeping out from under coconut shells to express their appalled amazement that people like to have a lot of sex (!) with a lot of other people (!!) and, possibly, an audience (!!!). Why, I ask, are we invested in what other people do with their own bodies? The idea that people participate in such events is a problem - if you think sex is a shameful act that should happen only behind closed doors, rather than a fun-filled activity between consenting adults.

Sure, sex can be an intimate, monogamous act, but that is not the only way it is peformed, and getting angry because other people have sex in other ways than you do is ignoring the variations of human sexuality. Even then, there is always willful ignorance of what's happening with other people's bodies, a mental state unfortunately more often used for issues such as economic disparity and human rights.

And the blame games! What simplistic notions we buy into! "Blame the West!" cry some, as if only Westerners condone sexual activities, completely ignoring the fact that the United States of America has poured _millions_ into abstinence-only programs to discourage pre-marital sex among teenagers, only to fail in preventing teens from having sex before marriage. (They did succeed in one thing: said teens are less likely to use contraceptives.)

"Blame the parents!" cry others, completely ignoring the fact that most parents, for all their flaws, do their best to raise children in an expensive world, in societies that encourage self-sufficient nuclear family setups that are neither sustainable nor supportive to young families, in economies that make it impossible for parents to earn a decent living without leaving their beloved children at home for long hours, just to earn enough so said children can have the best possible starts in life through an education system that runs on money. And that's being optimistic.

Which leads us to the group that cries "Teachers must do their part too!", forgetting that many teachers a) are bogged down with ridiculous administrative tasks that hamper them from the actual job of teaching; b) are trained to spoonfeed children facts and formulas instead of encouraging mental facility and curiousity; and c) are miserably underpaid for the grand task that is Making People.

People are going to have sex anyway; the best thing we can do about that is to encourage safe, sane and consensual sex. We have more important, highly complex issues to worry about than some random people whom we don't know having lots of sex with other people and an audience.




If they publish that entire thing like how they've been publishing the dribble from the moralists, I will treat anyone interested to lunch. Anyone in Malaysia, that is. And it would have to be a cheap lunch. Like, RM1 nasi lemak.

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Date: 2009-01-05 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aurora-nine.livejournal.com
I took a course in New York and one of my profs is a high up at American Media (who owns Star Magazine), she might actually be interested but unfortunately she won't see it because 20 interns will get to it first.

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Date: 2009-01-05 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
This is The Star Malaysia, a Malaysian English daily. Different publication.

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Date: 2009-01-05 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
Yeah, I should have clarified that first. I was gonna post this to the Malaysians LJ comm first before here.

Changed my mind because of the lunch thing :P

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Date: 2009-01-05 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
I wish the Herald would allow letters of more than a handful of sentences without chopping them to bits. :P (Then again, they've been good about mine, despite the fact that every one I've sent them was intended to bitchslap some idiot's other letter..)

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Date: 2009-01-05 09:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
All of my letters to this newspaper have been published, although one was heavily edited. I figured that with the new environment, a dissenting voice might be interesting.

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Date: 2009-01-05 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zibblsnrt.livejournal.com
Yeah, I would have figured it would just due to the length, but again my main experience is the Herald which tends to limit them to about a half-dozen sentences. Then again, when they publish letters saying that the army needs to be used to deal with protestors in Canada, it doesn't take that many words to call someone a moron. ;)

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Date: 2009-01-05 08:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
Dude, if The Star prints any of that, I'll buy you lunch.

Though NST did print a letter of mine responding to a very silly woman (and head of a blood disease NGO) who claimed that giving out condoms to young people led to less blood donations, which disadvantage her NGO! O_o

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Date: 2009-01-05 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
Oh dear! LOL

That's about as bad as pro-lifers in America claiming that BC pills cause cancer and abortions.

If this doesn't get published by tomorrow or Wednesday, I won't know if it was published, since I'll be going down to Singapore. XD People will have to let me know!

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Date: 2009-01-05 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
Her logic:

Free condoms -> casual sex -> [STDs] -> inability to donate blood [she also claimed that just having premarital sex PERIOD makes you ineligible to donate blood] -> no blood for blood disease people

My letter went mainly "condoms help PREVENT STDs, and your sexual history vs marriage isn't a concern with blood donations. you should know that, given you HEAD the org."

A family friend who's a doctor got really pleased and contacted me to say so, while my mum goes "...oh dear. looks like you're really an adult now if you know all that much."

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Date: 2009-01-05 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
Wow, that's some magical moron logic right there. I have no more words.

And your mum, wow. I mean, you'd think "condoms help prevent STDs" be standard common sense by now. Apparently not!

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Date: 2009-01-05 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
Haha, it's not that she doesn't know, it's that she didn't expect ME to be at all aware about sexuality. Still her little girl and all.

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Date: 2009-01-05 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
Haha! My dad bought me Sex for Dummies when I was 13, so he doesn't have that "little girl" excuse at all XD

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Date: 2009-01-05 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
o_O

My dad still can't get his head around the idea that i have a boyfriend. Sex? WHAT IS THAT WORD IT DOESN'T EXIST.

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Date: 2009-01-05 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trishalynn.livejournal.com
If the Star prints any of that, I'll chip in for the lunch by sending $20 US by PayPal... you guys can receive PayPal, right?

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Date: 2009-01-05 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
My M'sian credit card can't, but if [livejournal.com profile] divabat has a CC, she might be able to.

Hi, btw. I don't believe we've met! ^^

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Date: 2009-01-05 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divabat.livejournal.com
My Paypal account's linked to my Aussie account. I'm sure we can work out some exchange rate shenanigans if you're willing to wait till end March/early April.

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Date: 2009-01-05 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trishalynn.livejournal.com
I can totally wait till then. ^_^

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Date: 2009-01-05 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trishalynn.livejournal.com
We haven't; I'm a friend of [livejournal.com profile] divabat's from MetaChat (http://metachat.org) and Twitter. It's also possible that we could have crossed paths on another Malaysian LJ'ers journal, except I don't know if she's active anymore.

What you and the other Malaysian bloggers have been up to with your crusades for equal rights for women and freedom of speech has always been interesting to me and I completely support everything you guys have been doing. Keep it up!

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Date: 2009-01-05 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
W3rd. I still feel like I'm not doing enough tho. Oh well, keep on swimming, keep on swimming, keep on swimming...

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Date: 2009-01-05 09:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salzara-tirwen.livejournal.com
lol your edit. Hey, nasi lemak sounds pretty good.

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Date: 2009-01-05 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
It is!

Next time you cook rice, just throw in a bit of salt and coconut milk.

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Date: 2009-01-05 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tariq-kamal.livejournal.com
I subscribed to the RSS feed at twosen (http://twosen.com/), and I've come to the conclusion that letters to the Editor in Malaysia, at least, are like YouTube comments, but with people who are actually paid to (sometimes) correct spelling and grammar errors.

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Date: 2009-01-05 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tariq-kamal.livejournal.com
tl;dr i.e. they're all the same kind fucking stupid, and there's too many of them.

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Date: 2009-01-06 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
It's breathtaking how many of these letters have gone through without a single one reflecting majority opinion of "shut up, we didn't need to know". How many nosy panty-sniffers does this country have?

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Date: 2009-01-06 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tariq-kamal.livejournal.com
It's not just that.

Or, yeah, I guess it is, but I mean it in a slightly different way.

I should LJ it. Hmm.

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Date: 2009-01-05 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eiko82.livejournal.com
I hope that they do post it. Not so you can buy people lunch. But 'cause it's an awesome response!

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Date: 2009-01-06 12:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
Aw, thanks!

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Date: 2009-01-05 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_juju_/
Sex party, what?? ;)

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Date: 2009-01-06 12:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
If you really wanted to attend one, they're more easily found in Halifax ;D

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Date: 2009-01-06 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_juju_/
When you come back, you'll have to enlighten me! :P

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Date: 2009-01-06 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
You could attend one of those leather fetish parties, and network from there.

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Date: 2009-01-06 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleraine.livejournal.com
If you know who and where to go, there are a couple of them in KL itself (swinging, groupie, etc). ;)

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Date: 2009-01-06 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
And the gay watering holes!

Seems a lot of trouble though. XD

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Date: 2009-01-06 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarmaque.livejournal.com
Nice. Pity only people who already agree with you will ever read it. Unlike the opposing point of view, with is patently silly. I recently read a rant by a prominent "Pro-Life" activist and supposed sociologist who claimed that aside from the life of the aborted fetus, abortion causes murder.

His idiotic idea was that women who have abortions and their other children are more likely to just randomly murder other people. Of course he had no properly obtained facts to back up this assertion.

In other news: I highly recommend "The Cartoon Guide to Sex" (http://www.amazon.com/Cartoon-Guide-Sex-Larry-Gonick/dp/0062734318/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231284357&sr=8-1). Factually informative, humorous, very sex-positive, and IMHO completely appropriate for the instruction of children from about the age of 10 (as long as their parents aren't messed up about sex like most Americans). Check it out.

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Date: 2009-01-08 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
Pro-lifers also claim many things cause cancer: the Pill, condoms, abortion...

Also, the Pill causes abortion. How? By preventing the natural process of insemination. Go figure.

How they manage to get through life without being reduced into a quivering mass of fearful moral superiority complexes, I don't know.

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Date: 2009-01-09 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarmaque.livejournal.com
Don't get me started.


Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great...
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate!


My brother has 12 (yes, twelve!) kids. Why, you may ask? "We're going to have as many kids as god lets us have."

Unfortunately this is using religion as an excuse to do whatever you want. My sister in law LOVES babies. Children, not so much. Don't misunderstand me. They're actually very good parents and the children are happy, well behaved, and well fed. But their whole life revolves around whatever baby is newest and she is constantly pregnant.

My problem with the whole thing is more practical. My brother is in construction. He makes pretty good money, but with the economy the way it is (or if he should ever hurt himself where he can't work) they're screwed. I certainly can't help support them, and neither can our parents.

Quivering mass of fear and moral superiority describes them nicely.

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Date: 2009-01-10 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleraine.livejournal.com
Personally, getting constantly pregnant is unhealthy for a woman in the long run. Couple that with the stress of taking care of 12 children! Eeks.

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Date: 2009-01-10 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fantasyecho.livejournal.com
No kidding? There's actually a reality show in the States revolving around the Duggers, who basically have that many kids (or 18?). It's horrendous. It's really stupid because they argue "family planning is unnatural!" and it's like, "no, having that many kids is unnatural, because normally people DIE by that time."

Plus, you can tell they just hand off the youngest kids into the care of the older kids. I suppose that's more feasible than parenting ALL the kids yourself... but still *shudder*

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Date: 2009-01-10 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarmaque.livejournal.com
That's correct: The older ones care for the younger most of the time (they are home-schooled.) But is this fair to the older children? I'm on the fence with that one. Their oldest is 15 (they also have two sets of twins.) At 15 years old she is better prepared to be a mother than many 30 year olds. And yet, she's being trained to be a wife and mother. Is that fair? She's closely chaperoned at all times. She'll never go to prom, or a school dance, or any social function involving children her own age that isn't part of their church.

And yet, they all have many opportunities. Most of them are studying some musical instrument, guitar or piano, some of them have taken dance lessons, and some of them have participated in sports. I've taught the eldest to use Photoshop and Illustrator and she enjoys graphics. Some of the others draw or write. Unfortunately, due to the home schooling, most of them do not read or do math at their age level.

And yeah, my sister-in-law is not healthy. She's not horribly overweight, but she looks like 200 lbs. of bread dough all the time. Her method of birth control is breast feeding, and the average time between her births is about 1.5 years. The longest time was 2 years.

I get a look into that lifestyle that most people don't.

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Date: 2009-01-11 10:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleraine.livejournal.com
Getting pregnant puts a lot of stress on a woman's body - trust me, I'm pregnant at the moment and it's not exactly an easy journey. Your body has to work twice as hard for everything and sleeping for a lot of pregnant woman is a luxury even though the first three months is all about fatigue and adjusting.

I remember someone once told me that being pregnant is like having a parasite in your body willingly.

Btw, breast feeding is not a method of birth control (can someone please tell people who have brains this?) - you can still get pregnant even though you're breast feeding and/or if you don't get your periods while you're breast feeding. I had a friend who got pregnant about three months after having her first baby because of this misconception. Needless to say, she learnt her lesson well.

While it is good for older kids to learn to care for their younger siblings, helping out and doing Mum or Dad's job are entirely two different matters. Children should be free to mingling with other kids - the fact that you pointed out that she is closely chaperoned and doesn't get to mingle with other children her own age is worrisome especially for someone at 15. Home schooling is the other - how are kids going to learn to mingle with other kids if all they see are their siblings and parents?

But I'm with you on the financial part. Already with one income and a baby on the way, I'm worried about what should happen if hubby were to lose his job (touchwood)? So what more with 12 mouths to feed?

And thanks for sharing! Thanks to you, I get an insight into that lifestyle as well! :)

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Date: 2009-01-12 01:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarmaque.livejournal.com
On breast feeding and birth control: I did NOT say that I believed in that. I said that's what she uses... (and believes in) and it obviously does NOT work! o.O I do not approve of this at all, but I have no say in the matter. As I think I mentioned, they're using a lot of these attitudes to justify doing what they want to do. This, IMHO, is one of the biggest problems with religion.

Other than that, I'm with you 100%. Their kids do not have appropriate social skills. When introduced to a group of other children they are very shy (with the possible exception of the oldest,) and tend to play with each other instead of the other children in the room. This is getting better, because they're starting to host bible study at their home and doing some church related child projects. However there's a lot they are missing out on and don't know how to do.

OTOH, why should I be allowed to have an opinion on any of this? I don't have any kids, and am unlikely to have any. I need to choose one (or more!) of my nieces and spoil them rotten. That way I'll have someone to take care of me when I'm old and decrepit.

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Date: 2009-01-12 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleraine.livejournal.com
Nono, I didn't mean that you felt that breastfeeding was a form of birth control; it's just that I've heard it before and now, I'm hearing it again which kind of annoys me!

Btw, what's OTOH? XD

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Date: 2009-01-12 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tarmaque.livejournal.com
NOO8! *heh heh heh*

OTOH: On The Other Hand. (http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20050321.html)


I know I'm going to grammar hell for that.

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